Welcome to the discussion post for the first Presidential Debate, which begins tonight at 9 EST. Somehow, the situation on the ground is even more insane than it was ahead of the first Presidential debate, and as every pundit has told you today, this is the rare Vice Presidential debate that might actually matter (I am pretty sure they say that every four years, but in this case, it's probably right).

It'll be an interesting night. Pence is a good speaker -- I heard Tim Kaine say that Pence is very good at making lies sound very convincing (most pundits agree that Pence beat Kaine in the 2016 debate). He's also very subdued, and he'll be going against a prosecutor in Kamala Harris, who is also a Black woman, so there are a lot of incredibly unfair expectations placed upon her. But then again, Mike Pence is in a lose-lose situation himself. If he defends the President's bad actions, he looks bad. If he doesn't defend Trump to Trump's liking, then Trump will literally toss him off the ticket 27 days ahead of the election, because it's 2020 and that's how insane Donald Trump is right now.

Anyway, it'll be ... interesting? A train wreck? Boring? Maybe they will actually discuss ... policy? Enjoy the conversation.