It is a truth universally acknowledged that when you include diversity in your fantasy series, annoying fans will start whinging about their franchise being ruined by a light infusion of color. HBO’s Game of Thrones spin-off House of the Dragon has dealt with that from some fans before the show even aired, and one co-writer connected with author George R.R. Martin. In response, co-showrunner and creator Ryan Condal has explained why the decision to make the members of House Velaryon Black was made.

During an interview with TheGrill for The Wrap, Condal clarified that the decision was not made in order to “tick boxes” but rooted in something Martin said years ago: