Stranger Things 4 Vol. 2 has hit Netflix and with it has come a sea of questions about Vecna but also a sea of memes. Yes, I’ve seen the meme of star Jamie Campbell Bower sitting in a chair with a Starbucks dressed like Vecna. And when I got to speak with Bower for the release of Vol. 2, I wanted to know what his favorite reaction has been online so far.

While you could ask a great many questions of Vecna and Jamie Campbell Bower will have very nuanced and honest responses to them, it was truly wonderful to hear him instead talk about his favorite meme that he’s seen of his character since Stranger Things 4 has come out and I ended the question by asking what song would save him from his own curse to which Bower replied “I constantly need saving from myself so I understand that.” So at least we know that Vecna is the same as us? Take that as you will (just kidding, Jamie Campbell Bower is a delight to talk to and an incredible actor).