It’s no secret that Hollywood thrives on nepotism: the children of successful actors, directors, and producers are exposed to way more opportunities in the industry. In addition, their family wealth gives them a leg up in an industry that continues to underpay and undervalue those at the bottom rung. You certainly have more time to write, direct, and train when you don’t have to worry about paying your rent and affording food. That’s not to say that those who benefit from nepotism are underserving: Hollywood is littered with talented and celebrated celebrity offspring who earned their success.

But these same people would rather believe that Hollywood is a meritocracy, and in doing so they contribute to the lack of diversity and inclusivity within the industry. And that dichotomy led to a spirited debate between actor Ben Stiller and The Black List founder Franklin Leonard.

Leonard responded to a tweet which announced short film “The Rightway,” which stars Hopper Penn (son of Sean Penn and Robin Wright), directed by Destry Spielberg (daughter of Steven Spielberg), and written by Owen King (son of writer Stephen King). Leonard tweeted, “Hollywood’s a meritocracy, right?”

Hollywood's a meritocracy, right? https://t.co/jELCVujYyB

— Franklin Leonard (@franklinleonard) July 28, 2021

Ben Stiller, son of comedy icons Anne Meara and Jerry Stiller, responded by tweeting “Too easy @franklinleonard. People, working, creating. Everyone has their path. Wish them all the best.”

I do, without fail, but I also think it's important that we acknowledge those paths.

— Franklin Leonard (@franklinleonard) July 28, 2021

Leonard replied, “I do, without fail, but I also think it’s important that we acknowledge those paths,” while Stiller responded, “Yes. Just speaking from experience, and I don’t know any of them, I would bet they all have faced challenges. Different than those with no access to the industry. Show biz as we all know is pretty rough, and ultimately is a meritocracy.” Leonard disagreed, adding I don’t for a second doubt that they’ve all faced challenges. They’re human. I simply reject the claim that the industry is – in the short term or long term – a meritocracy. If it were, how do you explain the utter lack of diversity behind the camera? Lack of merit?”

I don't for a second doubt that they've all faced challenges. They're human. I simply reject the claim that the industry is – in the short term or long term – a meritocracy.

If it were, how do you explain the utter lack of diversity behind the camera? Lack of merit?

— Franklin Leonard (@franklinleonard) July 28, 2021

Stiller backpedaled, adding “100 percent agree. Diversity is much bigger issue. No question. And I see your point, access is access. So yes. I’m saying that untalented people don’t really last if they get a break because of who they are or know or are related to.” Leonard shut him down with the following:

And we both know plenty of unqualified people who manage to stay employed for reasons other than their talent, though both of us have enough decorum not to name names.

— Franklin Leonard (@franklinleonard) July 28, 2021

Ultimately, Leonard summed it up by tweeting, “It’s not just access. It’s undervaluation. It’s active discrimination. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. The Hollywood film C-suite is the least diverse sector in American business. Less diverse than Trump’s cabinet.”

pic.twitter.com/4NLpz9Y9pl

— Franklin Leonard (@franklinleonard) July 28, 2021

(via Twitter, image: Matt Winkelmeyer/Frazer Harrison/Getty Images)

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